Tina (00:00:00) - Today I have a very special guest on the podcast. Her name is Faye Chan and she is a EFT specialist. She helps adults and children with emotional stress find calm, clarity and confidence amid the chaos of life. And I think that we could all use a little bit of that. So let's get into it. Hey guys, before I get started, I just wanted to come on here and share with you something new that I just created for all of you. And it's very near and dear to my heart because it's something that I wish I had when I started my healing journey. And it's called the Soul Alliance Self-care circle. And inside of the circle, I share with you all of the different deep level and surface level self-care practices that I had to add into my life in order to heal. I also share with you the mindset shifts that I needed to make, and how to make them, and all the self-love practices that I had to start doing in order to really connect with myself and start healing.
Tina (00:01:06) - And my favorite part of the circle is sharing all of the somatic practices that I use in my everyday life to help my body heal and to help reduce stress and anxiety and to thrive in my life. And so I'm so excited to share this with you and some of the things that we do. We have weekly coaching calls. We have a weekly self-care practice that you can implement into your life that week. So it's like usually easy to implement. There'll be weekly journal prompts on that topic, weekly meditations, breathwork sessions, somatic practices to help your body heal, and weekly affirmations. And I always add wallpaper to that meaning. I create a beautiful wallpaper that you could add to your phone with the affirmations on it in order to help implement those things. And so I'm so excited, to share this with you. And like I said, there's a ten day free trial right now so you can go on the inside and see everything that's been going on in there, so you can see if it's something that you want to add into your life weekly in the future.
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Tina (00:03:32) - Join me in this intimate space as we explore healing, resilience, and the soul's journey to alignment. This is where real conversations about deep level self-care happen. Let's get into it. Hello, Faye. Welcome to the Soul Aligned Self-care podcast. How are you doing today?
Fay (00:03:57) - I'm good. Tina. Nice to meet. Nice to see you here.
Tina (00:04:02) - Yes. Yes, that's. It's funny, because you're in Australia, right?
Fay (00:04:07) - Yep. I'm in Melbourne, Australia.
Tina (00:04:09) - Yep. And so it's tomorrow there.
Fay (00:04:12) - It's tomorrow there. So it's probably 630, 645 where you are. PM on Thursday and I'm Friday morning, 8:45 a.m..
Tina (00:04:21) - I know, I don't know why. That's always like a little bit of a you know, it always confuses me, but I'm always amazed by it. So thank you for coming on and to get started. If you could just tell the audience a little bit about yourself and what you do and your journey, how you got there.
Fay (00:04:38) - Sure. So I'm a certified clinical EFT tapping practitioner.
Fay (00:04:45) - Right. So EFT stands for emotional Freedom techniques for people that don't know. I'm also a mentor at EFT universe where you can get your certification. So I'm mentors certifying students there. So through the process, you need to hand in several case studies to be corrected and reviewed. So I'm a mentor for those students. That's very cool. yeah it is. And just in case the audience doesn't know what EFT is, emotional freedom techniques, it's actually a modality that has East meet the West, the east being the acupressure meridian lines being utilized to elicit and trigger where emotions are stuck. And so with the West, it's the cognitive and exposure therapy that we use in psychology to help process it. So we're bringing up on the body in the subconscious. That's the tapping part. And then when we speak it out and process it out, that's using the cognitive brain. Excellent. That's what I do.
Tina (00:05:51) - Yeah I never heard anyone put it that way. And it's so much easier to understand when you say it like that.
Fay (00:05:56) - Yeah. Because you do feel feelings in your body, right? You know, and it's familiar. So especially when I explain it to kids, they'll go, well, you can't feel anger. Now point to anger like you point to a chair or point to disappointment like you point to a cup. I can't, but you feel in your body that's the manifestation of the feeling or the emotion. So it's bringing that up. And then there's actually something anchored underneath that, and therefore you're bringing it up for your conscious brain to process.
Tina (00:06:28) - Yeah.
Fay (00:06:29) - Exactly. exactly. Yeah.
Tina (00:06:30) - That's really that's really cool. And, as I said, once again, you make it really easy to understand. So how did you get into this? Where did you transition from another career or.
Fay (00:06:41) - Yeah, I did, I did. So I've been in personal development since 2004, 2005, and I was actually working at the personal development company, the education company, when I met my future trainer of EMT. So she was already here to Universe Trainer.
Fay (00:07:01) - Yeah. And obviously I found out about the modality through her. I've known about the modality. I've been a client a few times, but it didn't really take to me because I was already in that world at that domain of using the transformative work on myself. but it wasn't until, about five years ago when at that time, I'm no longer working at a personal development company. Fast forward a few years and I'm a mom. I'm a stay at home mom. But I begin my budgeting household budgeting business, helping households plug up their black holes. Right. Cool. And but money has so much meaning. And it's so laden and so heavy that I found it really quite tough to get clients on board as much as people said, oh, it's such a needed skill. it was really hard to get them over the line because they were so gripped by what they made it mean, how much they've got or haven't got. Right. Yeah. and then when I found out this particular lady who I met at two different networking sessions, she kept up coming up to me going, I should have your help.
Fay (00:08:15) - I should have your help. I'm like, great. Is a budgeting client, right? And yet there was an EFT tapping practitioner that day at the second that weekend session that was talking about FTE. And this particular lady has already done 3 or 4 sessions with her. I'm going, hang on. So there's this lady wanting to work on a money mindset, but struggle to get over the emotion of it. And yet we'll deal with her emotion with a tapping practitioner.
Tina (00:08:43) - Yeah.
Fay (00:08:44) - So what can she do that I can't do given my background, personal development. Right. There's another modality I need to add to my belt as such. And I'm like, no, I can do it. I can do what she does, and I've got the experience behind me to do it. and so I went home, told my husband about it, and I said, I think I should certify. He goes, okay. So I gave Jenny a call because she was already in my phone. My trainer from 15 years ago.
Fay (00:09:10) - Yeah. And, you know, so went her next course and she said, this date, I'm like, great, I'm there. So that was 2018.
Tina (00:09:18) - Wow.
Fay (00:09:19) - And then I certified in 2019. And then the floodgates opened in 2020 when Covid happened.
Tina (00:09:26) - Yeah, I bet they did. I bet they did. Yeah. Isn't that cool? Like the little synchronicities in life. People here and there and then it comes together. Yeah. Different. Very, very cool. And so. So tell me about, do you work with a specific type of person or like do you seem to focus.
Fay (00:09:47) - On generally working moms? Find me first.
Tina (00:09:51) - Okay. Right.
Fay (00:09:52) - And they're moms. Doesn't matter whether they've got their own business or their full time moms or their full time workers with children, they generally find me first, and most of the time it's for themselves. And then they go, oh, actually, I want you to work with my children. Or actually, I'm going to get my husband on board.
Fay (00:10:17) - and so it's, it's really about general well-being, but the topic doesn't need to be, be it about work, about money or about appearance or expression. but yeah, working moms find me first. Somehow they do.
Tina (00:10:35) - And what is the difference between because you said certified clinical EFT practitioner. What is the difference between that. And just like somebody who's just certified in EFT right.
Fay (00:10:46) - So clinical EFT. Right. The reason it's clinical is because the algorithm or points has been tested clinically. Okay. So clinical EFT has had over 300 gold standard clinical tests. Some of them are blind studies. So there's plenty of evidence out there. It's not a belief system. So your meridian points is a belief system. It is evidence based. It's the primary vascular system is part of the nervous system. If they inject lui dye sticky on the machine MRI a machine you light up before the race? So, clinical EFT is based on those algorithm points that I use with a client, right? And it's those points that have been tested in psych clinical tests.
Fay (00:11:35) - Right. And so therefore that's called clinical EFT. Any other EFT. And there's other ones out there like faster EMT or kinesiology. Just might use some tapping points to gauge what the body says, right? That's not clinical. That's is using a tapping point. Okay. In fact, you can't even call yourself a tapping coach or EMT practitioner without without yourself being certified. So certification just means that you've gone through the course process. You've gone through the rigor, you've done the exams, you've done the mentoring as such, and you come out the other end with a certificate and you still have to do things to maintain your certification, too. Okay. yeah. And I know some insurance companies are very iffy about particulars as well. So it just depends what sort of insurance you get to to back yourself.
Tina (00:12:29) - Okay. So are there insurance companies that actually pay for EFT?
Fay (00:12:34) - as in like your work insurance, you're like, oh, okay.
Tina (00:12:38) - I was like, tell me about this. Like I'm oh, well, no.
Fay (00:12:43) - We're not we're not in the schedule. But yeah. Look, a lot of governments know about air tapping. And we've got something called the NDIS in Australia where it's a government. I'm not going to get this right. Funding body to help those that are, either mentally incapable, unwell, disabled, those on the spectrum that need extra support. So for those services, my fees may be claimable, which is great. That is although yeah, for like what we have called WorkCover cover or TAC, which is a traffic accident thingy thingy, right? They might cover, but that's just a case by case scenario. But generally in, like, health insurance. No, we're not covered. We're not under any sort of ruling government body as such. Yeah.
Tina (00:13:40) - Yeah. That's why I'm in the United States and nothing is covered. So we're like, quite used to that.
Fay (00:13:48) - But I think for yourself.
Tina (00:13:50) - Yeah, yeah. So let's talk a little bit about this. because I know we talked about this when we talked before about some of the misconceptions about art, because you were very passionate about that.
Tina (00:14:04) - And I would love for you to explain, you know, How to get the most of an FTE practice, you know?
Fay (00:14:15) - Yes, yes. So when you're tapping for yourself, be it with a script or if a video or you're just in traffic tapping on yourself. it's really just to regulate. So, you know, you might be experiencing, I don't know, a bit of anxiety, a bit of hot tempered nerves. And it's at a level of eight out of ten. You're snapping at your children just being snappy with people on the road. Right.
Tina (00:14:45) - Yeah.
Fay (00:14:45) - And you might do some simple tapping either on your collarbone point, or any other point really that you feel comfortable with just to bring the edge down. So it might be eight out of ten. You're going, what's happening with me? I don't like this. So you start the tapping and just breathe. And because you're already fired up so you don't need to trigger anything, you're already triggered. Yeah. And so the self tapping will maybe bring it down to a 4 or 5, which means it'll be manageable.
Fay (00:15:14) - Yeah. So you keep driving, get to your location, keep going. but tapping to unhook and tapping to transform, to uninstall, to unravel, to get to that memory with that anchor, to really unplug it. That needs to be done with a well trained practitioner. Okay. Right. You're too close to the trees from the forest, whatever that saying is to really see what's going on. Yeah, because off the cuff state, my clients might say off the cuff statements. I'm not sure whether that's an Australian term. No, I mean yes. Yeah. I've the casos. Are it always going to be like that. Oh I'm just you know mum would never one mine would never believe me. It's just off the cuff. It's very apparent to you I won't be a parent to a practitioner. I'll pick it up. Yeah. I'll go. What do you mean by that? And then we keep diving. Yeah, right. Because that will somehow lead to a memory or lead to an event that anchored that.
Fay (00:16:21) - Yeah. So the unplugging work is quite skillful work, and it sometimes might even take a few sessions for us to even get there.
Tina (00:16:29) - Oh, yeah, I think so. Absolutely. Yeah.
Fay (00:16:32) - Yeah. I mean, depending on how deep seated be the anchor is, how long it's been there, has it been there since you're five years old and you're now, you know, in your 40s? Has it been there just recently? But most of the I guess the trauma or anxious events would have occurred in some people before they, they're 21, 22 anyway. Yeah. So which which means that the prefrontal cortex hasn't been fully developed in both males and female bodies. That means it's really anchored in the body. There's no amount of talking and processing your cognitive brain can do, because when you experienced it, it embedded straight into your body. Yeah. So we need to it's a somatic process. practice that you need to neutralize it.
Tina (00:17:20) - Yeah.
Fay (00:17:21) - So I keep telling my clients, keep going out walking, keep going out doing your sports.
Fay (00:17:27) - Right. Keep keeping physical because then you're helping your body bring it up.
Tina (00:17:32) - Yeah. Yeah. Movement always helps expel that energy out. So I completely get that. maybe it would be cool if you could explain for some people that are listening that don't know anything about tapping, because I'm sure there's a few people out there, how the process works, what it looks like, and what are some of the tapping points that you talked about. So that would be cool.
Fay (00:17:56) - Yeah, most people will listening to this or watching this.
Tina (00:18:00) - Both. It's going to be both. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Fay (00:18:03) - So I'll do the explanation. So we always start at what we call the side of hand point. Yes. So which is the point underneath your pinky finger on any hand on the side of the palm where the fleshy beat bit. Yes. Right. It's 2 or 3 fingers. It doesn't matter whether it's left or right. We're symmetrical on both sides of our body in terms of reading points and the apparently done a clinical study on this doesn't matter whether it's left or right okay.
Fay (00:18:30) - Okay. So we always start on the side of the hand point okay.
Tina (00:18:35) - Because some people call that the karate chop point right?
Fay (00:18:38) - Yes they do. Yes they do. Yeah. And it's a psychological reversal point as well. In other words you're a bit frazzled. Your bit upside down. Come here and just tap for over a minute. You should find yourself discharging.
Tina (00:18:51) - Oh cool okay. Yeah.
Fay (00:18:54) - So that's a really important point. And we always start here with what we call set up statements. Yeah. This statement is really just to acknowledge what's triggering you and then psychologically reversing it with. I am loved and I'm still okay. I accept and support myself or this is what I feel right now. And that's really all right.
Tina (00:19:16) - Yes.
Fay (00:19:16) - Yeah. So we always start there and then we go up to the top of the head which is the crown. And it's I don't know how many times you need to tap. You can tap three times you can tap seven times. You can even impress on the point as long as there's activation.
Fay (00:19:32) - That's the point. You're sending the electrical signal to the right.
Tina (00:19:35) - Yeah. Okay. Right.
Fay (00:19:37) - And then the side and then the eyebrow point. So with the eyebrow meets the forehead is where it is okay.
Tina (00:19:45) - Yeah, yeah. And if you plucked your eyebrows in the 90s that you have to, like, really kind of.
Fay (00:19:53) - You gotta Vegas.
Tina (00:19:54) - You gotta figure it out. It's where those wrinkles are. Right there.
Fay (00:19:59) - Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. That's okay. And then the side of the eye literally on the side of your eye. Yeah. Very good. And the next point is the under eye point. So on your bone but under your pupil okay. Yeah that's the stomach point. Yeah. The next point is straight under the nose. So under the bridge of your nose. Yep. Good work. And then the next point is the chin point where your crease is. Yeah. And just breathe and tap as you're doing it. And then just feel your body relax or calm or discharge.
Fay (00:20:43) - Yeah. Next point is the collarbone point. So we get collarbone is just underneath that diagonally underneath that you should find yourself in a depression. Yeah. For a depression. Yeah, that's the collarbone point. That's a key point. That's another psychological reversal point. This point. Right. And there's like the the thymus is there there's other immune points all around your chest anyway. So you're bound to hit something even if you're not accurate with this.
Tina (00:21:16) - Yeah.
Fay (00:21:17) - Right. And then the next one's the underarm point. So ladies, go for your bra strap. Otherwise it's ten centimeters under your underarm on the side. Okay. Okay. So that's the last and final point. So that I've just taught you the clinical e.m.t. Yeah. Positions. Yeah, yeah.
Tina (00:21:36) - Okay. Some questions because I know that these were some of the questions that I had when I first tried tapping that people might be thinking in their heads, or maybe it's just me, but I could be a little bit of a perfectionist. And so like one of the things I was like, am I tapping hard enough? What if I don't get the exact point? Does it just have to be in the right area? Do I do it with one hand, or do I do it with two hands? Like, those are all the things that went through my head.
Tina (00:22:02) - So does it really matter? Any of those things?
Fay (00:22:05) - No, except that you want to get the point right. However, if you're tapping 2 or 3 fingers, that's a karate chop point. Yeah, right. And you're you're not. You won't be accurately tapping on the same point all the time or move. You'll get the point. Yeah, right. Because I know there's there's this pen. I forget what's actually pen. I think where it literally shoots because the skin around the meridian point has a higher resistance than the meridian point and electrical resistance. So there's a pen that you could go past the point. It literally beats past the meridian point. Okay. And so you know where the point is, right? I think you can get out of these pens from I don't know.
Tina (00:22:49) - That's cool.
Fay (00:22:50) - That's cool. Yeah. so and with some people that are sensitive to policy, the policy of the points, they prefer just touching. So that's depressing. Or pushing upon the point actually works as well.
Tina (00:23:06) - Interesting.
Fay (00:23:07) - Yeah. Touching. Right. And we have something called the mirror neurons. Okay. Right. So even if I sit here and I go think about and I'm not tapping. Think about tapping on top of your head. And so your mind goes to think about tapping atop your head, and it literally lights up. Wow. Right. So they've done another study on this, right? Think about tapping on your chin points and tapping on the chin point. And then that part of your brain lights up. And that's like with children we can teach them tapping on the soft toy. But they're tapping on the soft toy. Right. And because the eyes are looking at it so your body things is being done to you. Right. Just like if you, you know, if you watch a movie and someone gets punched instead you go oh yeah.
Tina (00:23:54) - Yeah.
Fay (00:23:55) - That's a mirror. Neurons firing off. Yeah. You're not, you're just watching the TV and you're going, you go for that. You go for that part of your body, you put your hand over it.
Fay (00:24:05) - So it's the same thing. We're utilizing the mirror neurons to make sure that you did your tapping right. Your brain thinks it tapping.
Tina (00:24:13) - Yeah, that's kind of cool because then it makes it more available to someone that might be disabled that can't do the tapping.
Fay (00:24:19) - Correct? Correct. Yeah. So something what they can watch someone tap is another funny story. When I'm arguing my husband and I'm finding myself agitated, I tap. Yeah, I tap for myself. Guess goes, what are you doing? What are you tapping? Don't tap in front of me. I'm like, I said, you don't have to tap. I'm tapping.
Tina (00:24:39) - Yeah, he's watching me.
Fay (00:24:40) - Right? That means he's mirror neurons working.
Tina (00:24:43) - Yeah, yeah. So you're gonna catch. And I make.
Fay (00:24:47) - This.
Tina (00:24:48) - That's excellent. That's a good I don't know, that's a good thing to know. That's something that's good to know. If you're in a room, you're in a meeting and everything's getting really like, just be like, okay.
Fay (00:24:59) - Okay, everybody watch me.
Tina (00:25:01) - Yeah, everybody. Everybody take note. I heard you say that I can't remember. I think it was when we were tapping our eye that this is the for some stomach point. So each tapping point represents a different part of the body. Yeah.
Fay (00:25:16) - It does. the algorithm of points pretty much touches on all or the major organs.
Tina (00:25:22) - Okay.
Fay (00:25:23) - Yeah, I know that. Well, the the the karate chop. One small intestine chop ahead is the governing meridian. that's where all the meridians converge. So there's no particular point. And then the eyebrow points, the bladder meridian, the side of the eyes, the gallbladder, and then under eyes, the stomach point. So keep a lot of anxiety in the tummy, right. People's tummy churn. Yeah. It gets, you know, it feels heavy. Yeah, yeah. And then, the large intestines, the under nose.
Tina (00:25:56) - Okay.
Fay (00:25:58) - This point, the chin point is part of the stomach as well.
Tina (00:26:01) - Okay.
Fay (00:26:03) - Right. And then the collarbones, kidney under arm is spleen.
Tina (00:26:09) - Okay. And and what does, Does that mean anything? no.
Fay (00:26:15) - Not really.
Tina (00:26:16) - Not really.
Fay (00:26:17) - Not really.
Tina (00:26:18) - And you said the top of the head was the governing meridian. Is that what you said? What does that mean?
Fay (00:26:23) - That's the 100 meeting points.
Tina (00:26:26) - Okay. So that's where all the meridians meet.
Fay (00:26:29) - Correct? Yeah. There's a simulation point and allows for intuition.
Tina (00:26:34) - Okay, we got cut off. I got cut off. My internet just crashed. And so we are back with Mr. here. so we were talking about the different meridians and the different points, and, I think you said it really. It really. I'm sure there's some meaning to it, but it really when you're doing the tapping, it really doesn't, have that much meaning to the person that's doing the the therapy. Is that correct? Yeah.
Fay (00:27:03) - Because at the same time, your, what we call in a trance. So you've been placed in, you know, it's quite hypnotic by the time you're just repeating the statements, right? Yeah.
Fay (00:27:16) - And we're scripting it for you. So you're not making up the script because it's too much to think about.
Tina (00:27:23) - Right? Yeah.
Fay (00:27:24) - And so you can just focus on what's coming through and, and releasing it. But then there's a lot of talking about it. Yeah. Between you and I. Yeah.
Tina (00:27:35) - Yeah. So I want to thank you for going through the whole process like that with the people so that people can understand what it's like. And a lot of times you'll go through, from my experience, and I don't know if it's different when you're working with a practitioner, but you're going to go through that whole round like a certain number of times. And I don't know if there's a specific number or if it's just you're waiting to get a feeling. Yeah.
Fay (00:28:01) - There's no specific number of times. Because what I'm gauging for is any, I guess, subtle physical change in body language as well, because sometimes the eyes might dart dart to the top or they literally.
Tina (00:28:18) - Feel.
Fay (00:28:19) - It. Or, with adults especially, I'll go interrupt me, interrupt me if something comes up and they'll go, oh, I know what it is.
Fay (00:28:27) - And memory just came up. And then those days they tell me the memory or they'll say, oh, this got a stabbing pain in my back. My back. Right? And it feels like a hot knife going into it. So all those sensations might come up and it depends on the person in the body. They might see it as visuals or memories. They might hear as a word, they might sense it in their body or they literally feel the pain sensations.
Tina (00:28:54) - Okay. That's really cool. Yeah. That's like I'm sure it's like different for everybody too. And I, I've seen similar things with, not really comparable to completely different modalities, but with Reiki work, like different like feelings that come up in the body that signal different things and then and, and can be read differently by different people. So I think it's just really cool that you, ask for that feedback from the people that you're working with, because it could really help you move forward so much quicker, I would think.
Fay (00:29:25) - Yeah, for sure.
Fay (00:29:26) - Like yesterday I was working with a man and he had pains in his hip bones where the pelvis is, the bones you literally sit on and was really painful and it pulls on the hamstring because it's attached to the hamstring.
Tina (00:29:39) - And.
Fay (00:29:39) - He's, you know, he's seen doctors about it. He's under care. And they'll go, all right, let's let's see what your sit bones are saying. You know, let's give them the microphone. Let's give them the stage. Are they angry about something? I think not angry about something. And then all of a sudden, memory comes up and it's a huge session for him just to unload and say it was not happy. Right. So I'm just allowing you to do that. And then at the end of the session he goes, oh, guess what? What's the point of hurting me anymore? And the hamstring pain's gone.
Tina (00:30:10) - Oh my God.
Fay (00:30:12) - It's literally because he's literally been sitting on it.
Tina (00:30:16) - Yeah. Really? Yeah.
Fay (00:30:19) - Sitting on it hasn't allowed to come up.
Fay (00:30:21) - And when the issue came up, the one that he needed to release was approximately the same time he's sitting. Bones started hurting in his life.
Tina (00:30:32) - Okay. Right.
Fay (00:30:33) - So if you take if you taken all precautions for physical health care because we don't deal with physical health. Right. We don't diagnose. So I'll go well go see the osteopath. Go see the physio. Go see your therapist. You know your physical therapist. Go see the doctor. Go get scans and you've exhausted all those. And it still doesn't shift that. are must mean it might be emotional. That's something that's emotionally anchored in your bodies. Is reminding you, reminding you, reminding you, reminding you until you acknowledge it.
Tina (00:31:09) - Yeah.
Fay (00:31:10) - The only way is through. You can't go around it. You can't pat it up. You can't put sprinkles and fondant on it to make it look nice.
Tina (00:31:17) - Yeah.
Fay (00:31:18) - The only way is through.
Tina (00:31:20) - Yeah. So you have to release it. So it's kind of like, back again to that book.
Tina (00:31:25) - The body keeps the score. You know how you're holding these, these energies in your body. So I just find it so interesting because this there's so many different types of therapies, but the ones that always seem to resolve the most amount of, you know, trauma, pain, you know, that bring about the the the fastest, biggest solutions for people are the body based therapies. You know, because you're you're releasing it from the body, the places. And literally it was like stuck in his sit bones, you know. And so yeah you so that was kind of the question that I was going to go into next. Like, how does someone know when they're ready to go see to work with the EFT practitioner? So it's like, so, I wouldn't think it would only be when you've exhausted everything else. I mean, yes, you have to like, you have to, like, check in to you have to check in with yourself and your health. But like, is there so, for example, can someone see you if they're having some relationship problems or they have a phobia or, you know, You know what I'm saying? Like, so what types of things.
Fay (00:32:37) - Well, I could work with phobias or emotional cravings. So phobias could be like you're scared of rodents or scared of spiders or scared snakes, right? I used to be scared of snakes. Not real live snakes. Like photo of snakes. So I did that for my photo. Yeah, the real world.
Tina (00:32:55) - Well, you live in Australia. You have. There's a reason to. If there's. It's legitimate. That's legitimate. Yeah.
Fay (00:33:03) - So there's phobias or and usually they're irrational. Right. or there's cravings such as chocolate. Yeah. Right. I know I should have been doing this but what's another row of dairy milk goes into my mouth. Yeah. Right. So it's something embedded in chocolate that your body falls for, right? It's not like you've embedded emotions in it, but because you relate it to an emotion that you're craving for and therefore you're just eating that when you're under stress discomfort. Right. It's comfort eating.
Tina (00:33:37) - Yeah.
Fay (00:33:37) - so it could also be you know cigarettes or trying to give up drinking.
Fay (00:33:44) - it could be for business owners a visibility for you. I'm scared of being in front of the camera. I'm scared of speaking up. I'd rather be just behind the scenes. Yeah, right. I don't want to put myself out there. And when you put yourself out there, you get to ask people for sales. And that could be a whole thing about why I'm asking people to love me. Then. What if I'm unlovable?
Tina (00:34:06) - Yeah. What if I get rejected?
Fay (00:34:09) - Yeah. And then you better dig into that. There could be a lot of shame hooked up with putting yourself out there. Or asking for money, too. So that could be hooked up to something that's quite anchored from your childhood.
Tina (00:34:21) - Right.
Fay (00:34:22) - I'm not special. If they don't do this for me and then it's there's change in the expectations. So a myriad of things can turn up. But how you can identify is like time and time again it's It's familiar. It's a block. That's. It doesn't matter which circuit stamps you in, be it that you've got a different boyfriend, live in a different country, have a different job, different client.
Fay (00:34:46) - The same crap keeps turning up. That's when you know you need to shift it. And that's where you go. Okay, maybe a Christian typing practitioner help me shoot that.
Tina (00:34:55) - Yeah, absolutely. So when there's a pattern, when you see a pattern that same behaviors over and over again, same.
Fay (00:35:00) - Behaviors, it's unworkable. Doesn't work for you, keeps you stuck, keeps you stagnant. And you're like, here we go again. And you're fed up and sick of that pattern. Then you know, it's emotional anchor.
Tina (00:35:13) - Yeah, yeah. So how, how does it work when you work with an actual practitioner? is there like a, a session where you you just get to know the person at first and figure out what their goals are, and then you move on to the therapy after that. And it's a certain number of sessions. Or how does it usually work? Yes.
Fay (00:35:32) - So I usually do what we call a discovery call with them. I'm on the phone. They tell me what it is.
Fay (00:35:40) - I give them a bit of guidance. We sort of sass each other out on the phone to see whether it's okay, and then I'll go, why don't you book in? And then I do sessions or packages.
Tina (00:35:51) - Okay. Right.
Fay (00:35:51) - So it's quite, quite a simple process. You turn up, you've paid and then we just keep tapping.
Tina (00:35:57) - Yeah. Right.
Fay (00:35:58) - And it's different for children as well with kids is quite different. I, I do a debrief with parents at the end, but with children I have to. I'm asking more. Yes. No answers to see where their residents, because some of them don't know. Some of them are very verbal and very creative and expressive, and some of them aren't. So I have to tweak it more with children.
Tina (00:36:23) - Right. Interesting.
Fay (00:36:24) - Yeah. And so you know I have clients that work with me on a weekly basis, some on a fortnightly basis, some have gone through that intense period with me and then what they do is they come back and see me once every month because life still happens.
Fay (00:36:39) - And then when they need to, or I've had some clients that have worked intensely with me have taken a break, but when they need to, they always reach out.
Tina (00:36:47) - Yeah.
Fay (00:36:48) - If they know that oh, it's a it's a faith thing and it's way to shift. And then they'll reach out for a session or two.
Tina (00:36:55) - Yeah. So oh I love that. Okay I, I, I really appreciate you like walking through everything with us because I want people to understand what they need to do if they want to start, you know, using EFT and, what they can expect when they're working with a practitioner. So if you could just let everybody know where they can connect with you and where they could find you, like where you're hanging out on social media.
Fay (00:37:19) - My socials for Instagram as well as Facebook is living well with Faye.
Tina (00:37:27) - Okay.
Fay (00:37:28) - For a while without the E! Okay, so living well with Faye. That's on Facebook and Instagram. Okay, they're my two main things where you can reach me.
Tina (00:37:36) - Okay.
Fay (00:37:37) - I don't have a website. Okay. I get all my business and socials. I am on LinkedIn. You want to look me up, Faye chan? Okay, I see. Hang in. can.
Tina (00:37:48) - excellent. You'll see.
Fay (00:37:49) - My picture, and I'm on Google Business profile. So if you just do a search feature, tapping on Google, all my socials and all the links will turn up anyhow.
Tina (00:38:01) - Okay, great. Awesome. Well, I want to thank you. I'll put all those links in the show notes so that people can find you. And I want to thank you for coming on here and walking us through this really cool practice to help us at what I focus on, usually on the, you know, soul Line Self-care podcast is reducing stress, anxiety, overwhelm and burnout, which is, EFT tapping is a very powerful tool for all of those things. And so thank you so much for sharing all your knowledge with us.
Fay (00:38:33) - My absolute pleasure. Thanks for having me, Tina.
