Those of you who know me well know that I am very into yoga. I love my yoga practice.
I do it almost every single day and I'm currently doing my 200 hour yoga certification.
One of the things I've been curious about for a long time is yoga, Nidra. What is it?
How can I practice it? And how can I get the benefits that I hear are so awesome?
I hear that it helps reduce stress and anxiety. It can help you sleep better.
It can help you do so many things. So today I am diving into yoga, Nidra, with my guest,
Jocelyn Bates. Jocelyn is a soul art guide and a Kashik records guide, a yoga Nidra guide,
and a human design coach. She is also an expressive art therapist and an EFT master practitioner.
I can't wait to get into this conversation. We talk a little bit about all those other things too,
but we really get into what yoga Nidra is and how you can use it in your life.
So let's get into today's episode.
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Welcome Jocelyn. I'm so excited to have you here on the SoulAlign Self-Care Podcast. How are you doing today?
I am good. Very good. I actually did my whole self-care routine this morning already.
Wonderful. I'll stand behind that. 100%.
So to get started, if you could just tell the listeners a little bit about yourself and what you do.
Okay, yeah. I do a lot of things. I just recently did a post about being a jack of all trades,
master of none, and feeling bad about that my whole life.
And then I saw the rest of the quote and it actually the quote is about William Shakespeare. It's
Jack of all trades, master of none, but oftentimes better than master of one. It's actually about William
Shakespeare and how he used to do his stuff. I have like in his pocket, he had all his characters
and all this things he researched for things. And then when he was ready to do a play, he'd just go in
and take them out, right? I love that. I never heard the rest of that either. And so I like that because I'm
the keeper. I'm kind of like that too. I totally think that you should go after whatever it is, whether
it's related or not. And you should really just, whatever your heart is drawing you to, that you
should pursue it. So I love that. Yeah. So I do a lot of things. I was for a very long time,
an expressive therapist, intermodal. Then I had kids and I took off from that because I was working
with sexual trauma and it was working with brain injury. So I took off from that because I had kids.
And I was like, you can't cross the street. You can't climb a tree. Yeah. Yeah. Nothing, you know,
you'll never date. Like that was like where I was at and they were like four. So yeah. Yeah. I can see
that. Yeah. So I took a break knowing that it was affecting me and I just wanted to be a mom.
But I never really took a break because then I became a teaching artist and I taught about creativity.
I was a teaching artist for many, many years. And I still am actually. But that's what I ended up
doing for a while was teaching our teaching creativity and musical theater and theater and call kind of
the mixture of all of that. And then just, you know, about two and I kind of carried that through and
I've always been a bit of a spiritual person. My mom was an aromatherapist and spelled in Christ
practitioner and she channeled angels and so I grew up with that very whole. And so I always had
that piece of me. But in September of 2021, my parents died seven days apart out of nowhere.
And we were living with them. So sorry. That's horrible. Yeah. It was really,
it was like knock everything out from under my feet. Wow. But we had three kids and we were all
in the house with them. So everybody was super, super duper affected. And so I took like four,
five months off and then I just started following my mom's breadcrumbs and she sent me to human
design. She sent me to the Akashic records and I started like working on all these things. So now I
am a Akashic records guide and a human design coach and also kind of in there, my grief took a
I like a deep dive into the ocean. And I couldn't sleep and I became very anxious. And
because my parents died out of nowhere, you know, and every time my kids got a sniffle,
I was like, they're going to die. Like, I don't know what to do and I wouldn't be able to sleep. I
couldn't take my eyes off them. I got in this place and it's funny how grief does that. It's like,
you're fine one minute and then all of a sudden it's like, boom, yeah, in the winter season.
So I found Yoganidra on my own and Yoganidra is something that absolutely gave me my life back
because when you're not sleeping, when you're in like, fight or flight all the time and your anxiety is
up to the highest degree all the time, like, you can't function. It's or you can function, but you're
functioning with high quarters, all levels, you're functioning in this like, you know, this kind of
anxiety and I always feel like it's like my energy goes like this when I'm in anxiety, right? It's like
a, so I actually ended up getting trained as a Yoganidra guide and not for me necessarily to do this
for others to get paid for it to offer it to people because it is just a wonderful, wonderful way to
balance everything and just come back. Anyone who wants to work on any trauma, because I was really
running deeply into grief. I went ahead first into it to work on it and heal it once they came out of
like dissociation and if I didn't have the tools of Yoganidra to begin to get some sleep and to breathe
and to like settle, I could have easily gone off a cliff. So I got trained to do that and I'm currently
in my third level certification of solar working toward being a solar shaman. So solar is this like
creativity speaking with the inner wisdom of your soul? So that was like a really long
No, I mean, it's very, I like to hear about the journey, which is I think really important to
and that's where you found your, you know, your true calling because you were like taking yourself from
all the, through all these different steps to help yourself heal and now you're helping other people
heal, which I think is so beautiful. So a question about the Yoganidra. When you get
Is it a certification? Is it do you have to be a yoga teacher to do Yoganidra or is it something
different completely? There are some really intense yoga teacher certifications that include
Yoganidra, but I went through just to Yoganidra deep transformative sleep teacher certification.
Because well, first of all, a lot of people don't even understand that Yoganidra is like effortless.
They're like, Oh, I got to move and stretch and I'm going to help it. I'm like, Oh, no, no, put some
pillows down like support your knees, your neck. Yeah. And it's really guided, man. It guided
meditation. And so you really, it's as effortless as it could get. So that's the first thing. But when
someone is guiding someone through Yoganidra, and especially they, you want to be certified because
especially when you're walking someone like through something like grief, you're tapping into
basically Yoganidra goes through kosha's or subtle selves. And you're tapping, you're, you're
guiding deeper into each of those subtle selves. And one of those subtle selves is the
monomyokosha and monomyokosha is the mental emotional. And so if you're going into grief with
somebody and you're walking them through it, you're kind of bringing them in and out of like maybe
love and grief, joy, sadness, you're maybe bringing them in between those stages. And you want to
understand the process and how to bring someone through that to the next kosha. Like so, yeah,
there's a, there's a lot to it. It's not just like a meditation or a guided visualization.
You're actually slowly diving into these subtle selves, getting to a state of bliss. So
I don't know if you're interested in the program. Yeah, I did. I did a people do it. I had no idea.
I really, I really didn't know that. And I love how I learned something new every day. And I
think I told you that I haven't really tried it yet. And so I'm going to, I saw that you were on the
schedule today and I'm like, ooh, today's the day. And so I'm going to try it tonight, like as my
like wind down routine, just to see what it's like. And then maybe move into that. I'm very attracted
to it. So I think it's something that I want to learn more about. So do you do this? Do you create
recordings? Do you work one-on-one with people? Do you work in groups? How do you do this?
Well, I really like, I have an insight timer profile because I really like to put them out for free.
Like I am a fan because you know, there's not everyone's voices for everyone. Not everyone's
vibration is for everyone. I mean, my teacher, Ali Boothroyd, is like, she pushed me, she,
she brought me there, like just with her voice, right? But when I went to other yoga ninja,
like guidance, I was like, oh, that's not, doesn't feel the same, right? So that's why I think it's
important to have a lot of people guiding them. And so I like to offer it. And I offer it with a
little bit more of a poetic sense to it. So I have an insight timer account. And then I also,
I'm going to be doing more. I've just started understanding. So I put a bunch up and I just started
understanding Logic Pro. Have you ever looked at Logic Pro? No, what is that? For a total art,
like it's like a sound, like a sound program, like two great sounds, but I am an artist, but I don't
understand all of these like technicality. Yes. Yeah. So I have people walking me through to do it
really good now. That's, yeah, that's very interesting. I create meditations. I'm on insight timer
also. And I create meditations. And I do the same thing on, on, or so I'm familiar with the platform.
And I do like creating the free ones for insight timer. Yeah. I feel like you have to,
I don't know, I love doing it. And I feel like it's a good way to connect with people also and
to learn because there is a certain feel you get with different teachers. You know, like there's
certain meditations that I like to listen to, you know? And so, and I share a lot of yoga,
Nedra with my clients, my clients love it. And they'll tell me they'll give me feedback. Oh, I
like her, like her voice, I don't like him or whatever, you know, like so I'm like, okay, this is so
interesting. You have to have that mixture right or that opportunity to choose what you're called
toward. Yes. You have to find what's right for each person. And it's, it's not something that I can
decide. So I always tell my clients, if you like this, let me know so that I know exactly who you
like to listen to. And I could, you know, send more of these to you, you know? So I find it very
interesting. So, um, going, I'm, when you talked about moving the person through these different
stages. So when you create a meditation, you're essentially like writing poetry, right? Kind of.
So what's really cool? And I, I tend to do full yoga, Nedra's. So if you go on to insight,
timer, you can, and I'm thinking of doing like snippet pieces like I've done a Senkulpa, which is
your heart's intention or your heart's desire. I've done that as a yoga, Nedra. And I've also done one
that's basically in what's called a rotation of consciousness, which is, which is working with
one of the coaches. But for the most part, mine are long. And, and they go about 35 minutes,
sometimes 40 because I'm walking through every stage. And so it is, I often do transmission,
which is like, I know where I'm going. And then I just go in the room without any script and I use my
mic. But I have kind of worked out, okay, what's my image for this or what's, right? And so it's really
settled in, in the beginning, and could just breathing. And then you're going through what's called
a rotation of consciousness. And that's the first, um, kosha, right? That, and that, and it's called
the Anamiakosha. And that one is the physical body. And this is what actually brought me into yoga,
and Nedra to begin with. I had so much tension and anxiety. And a rotation of consciousness is simply
being guided from place to place in the body to place your intention, your attention in different
ways. And it sometimes it's, you know, just place your attention. Sometimes it's like, recently I
had one where it's like almost like a drop and it ripples out and or the warmth comes out in that
area. And it's very, it's kind of fast. You're not thinking, what if you stay on something, you ask
someone who's meditating to like stay awareness for a long time, they're like, they start thinking.
So it's pretty fast. And you go really intense. Like it might be like inside of the right cheek,
roof of the mouth, right nostril, right? And a little slower than that. But it'll go really
through everything in the body. And as you place your attention there, it's just, it's like something
happens. It just really relaxes. It's, it's, it's amazing. And when you go through a rotation of
consciousness, once you've, like, then you go into the next kosher, but once you get through the
rotation of consciousness, I feel like I am already like, I'm ready. Just, yeah, you know, cover me
up. Let me go to sleep. Yeah. Nice. I love that. Yeah. So that one's not, that one's not very like
poetic, right? That's like, well, how you decide to bring the attention there, but you're really just
going through and you're deciding, do I want to go right to left? Do I want to go top to bottom?
Do I want to go like in a you? How do I want to do? I want to use the energy centers, right? As a yoga
ninja guide. And then after that, you go to kind of my a kosher, which is the breathing. So there's
in breathing in yoga, ninja, it's really about allowing your body to breathe you. It's not about forcing
it or anything like that and moving the breath through the body. And so that's kind of, I really
enjoy guiding that session, that part of the session a lot. And then, yeah, and then you move
to this mental emotional, one of my a kosher. And that one is really about opposites, about feeling
into the physical feelings, like of maybe constriction and expansion or the emotional feelings of,
like love and grief, right? And really allowing. And then at the end of that kosher, when you're in
the yoga ninja, you're trying to feel them together. Can we feel them together in our body?
Can you feel both the love and the grief? And it's teaching your, and you're in your subtle
self. So you're really, you're really like basically training and learning, right?
So do that whole piece. And then the most poetic part is you go into this place of witnessing. And
that is guided through story or image. And so that piece is really poetic to me. And I really,
I like to go for it with that piece, symbolism, the colors, the shapes, the story, the imagery that
you bring to it, you know? Yeah, I can see how your art background could really like move into that,
you know, your creative background. So it's really, I can see how that could be so aligned with what
you're doing. That's really cool. Thank you for explaining all that. So it's like, I love digging into
these different healing modalities because you think you know what it is. Like I think I know what it is.
I'm sending these to my clients because I know it helps them, but I had no idea, no idea what it was,
you know? And it kind of makes sense now when I'm thinking of some of the titles of some of the
yoga ninja's recordings that I've sent to them. I'm like, okay, well, that makes sense now. And so
thank you for explaining that. So detail, that was very helpful. And honestly, when you're doing a
yoga ninja, you don't have to know all that. You're just like, you're literally just,
yeah, you're just, you're just, yeah, you're just, they're effortlessly and just listen. Yeah,
it's the guidance. Yeah, that's really cool. So how, I'm very interested in the Akashic records.
Like that's something, I know we didn't, I, I didn't necessarily show interest in that at first,
but I've always been very interested in that because can you explain how you work with people with
the Akashic records? Yeah. So the Akashic records are, it's like a dimension of knowledge.
And the reason I got into that originally was I went to a workshop that they walked us through
to meet your own Akashic records and everybody has their own. You can always enter your own. It's
just a matter of learning how. And I got, I ended up in a past life and I was like, what is this? And
I felt it was so, I mean, it was like, and I was really deep in grief at the time and it was so
grieving like it was like the loss of a set of twins. It was like in the 60s. It was like everything
was living around me. It was really, I didn't understand what was happening. I almost got lost in it.
So I went to my Akashic records teacher and she's like, you need to be trained. She's just going to
do this. And so I was like, okay, just teach me how to do it. Like they were really strange,
like experience for me to be in a past life like that. And, um, and so the Akashic records are
really a dimension of knowledge. You know, they're, they are every living thing, every living being has
an Akashic record. And it's like as human beings is from the minute our soul is born and it records
everything. Every thought action choice, right? Feeling across our, our lifetimes. And so when you go
into somebody's Akashic records, then you're going into their, their soul's knowledge from, and when
you're in the Akashic records, you're, you have to kind of think of time differently instead of being
on a timeline like left to right or right to left. You got to think of it more like crystal ball.
So you can access your future self. You can access your past self. Um, but you just don't, you're not,
because it's all like this, everything can change. So it doesn't really tell the future. It's just,
you know, Akashic records to understand, to see where patterns beliefs come from, to understand
going back to Yoganidra, they talk about some scars, which is like the heralds, some scars.
No, it's like karma, but not like in the pagan or Catholic sense. It's like you, some scar is like
karma where you've just kind of put a lot of energy in one direction. You've sent a lot of water
down that river and the river bed has gotten nice and deep, right? So we go that direction.
And that's like a some scar. And you could have been putting your energy toward something that is,
not is hurting you, right? So you have to kind of change that some scar. You need to dry that one up,
maybe start sending your energy in a different direction. So you can work with that in the Akashic
records, even. And um, right. You can go into, yeah, you can go into Akashic records of relationships.
You can go in the Akashic records of events, um, businesses. I've been going into a lot of people's
businesses lately to feel the energy of the business to make sure that people are, um, matching up
to the energy of their business. So I was just in someone's records the other day and in their
business record. And I was like, Oh, you can't market this with words like work or coach. You have
to market it with comfort like that. That's the energy of your business. If you market it,
you're going to bring people in that aren't looking for that. So it's kind of like matching the,
so you can, you could do all kinds of stuff in the Akashic records. Yeah. That sounds really
interesting and fun. Yeah, because from what I understand, all, all time is existing, all,
all at the same time. Everything's happening all at the same time. Yeah. So you have access to
everything. And so that's really, really cool. I think that would be fun. Um,
so moving forward with all of your, just quickly though, one of my favorite things in the Akashic
records is working with you can meet your spirit teams and your ancestors and your, you know,
mentors, masters, ascending masters, but you can also get in, you know, when you're in your,
this is just for someone who wants to go experience, like maybe trying to get, finding a
meditation to go into your Akashic records, you can, it's very healing just to be in them. It heals
something just to be, when I am in other people's Akashic records, it heals me as well. There's like
just this beautiful energy healing that happens in them. So if anyone wants to go, that is also another
piece of that just before you've gone, I wanted to. Okay. So you could take someone into their Akashic
records and with a meditation, I assume kind of. Yeah. People do it all different ways. Meditation,
visualization. And then they could receive healing just from that, just from being there. That's
very interesting. Okay. That's cool. So I'm, I'm like seeing how this all comes together. So like,
then, then we could talk about human design, which I have a little bit of experience with that.
And I find human design to be so on point. Oh, yes. I find this is so interesting every time I know
more about it. I'm like, wow. Like, how did you know me? That's how you deal with your
material. Yeah. That's exactly. I was like, Oh, how interesting. So tell me how, how you moved into
that and how you use that. I've been into human design for a very long time. I don't know, I
original, I think I originally got into it as a parent because I was like, why is my child so
crazy? Like, I, astrology wasn't given me the answer, but it felt like a little bit of something,
right? I was like, Oh, something's there, but it's not quite meeting. And human design takes into
account shock, our system, Vedic astrology, astrology, the kibala, the tree of life, numerology.
Like it kind of brings them all together. And so I was really, really looking for how to parent my child.
Yeah. No, I think that's, I love, I love looking up my kids' human sign. I'm like, yeah, yeah.
And I, it helps. It helps with kids because if I didn't know my one child as a manifestor,
if I didn't know that I would, I would be like kicking around the house like, oh,
yeah. That's how I originally found it, like probably around 2008, 2009. And then I kind of
dropped it for a little while. My mom picked it up. And that's how I found that. That's how I found
it with my mom again, because I mean, I had been working my human design, but I wasn't looking to go
deeper at that time. But once my mom died, I went into her emails. And every day she got an email
from Karen Curry Parker. And I was like, okay, I'm going to reach out to her. I had no money because
everything was up in like this, in, you know, they get put in the, when people die, they get put in the
estate. And, and so I said, Karen, I, I need to take your healing, the witch ruined class in human
design. I have no money. She's like, okay, so it kind of gave me this, this path, right? Just to jump
in. It was around the moon cycles and learning your human design. And Karen Curry Parker does a bunch
of quantum healing alignment with it, which is EFT. A lot. It's an awesome proof. I was not trained by
her, but I've experienced a lot of her work. And then from there, I went into, I went to work with Emma
Dunnwoody from Australia, who I love. And just really got into this, I started to learn more. And
because my parents had died, I learned their charts. I never learned there. I never bothered so sad.
I'm not in their charts. Yeah. And my dad was what's called a quad right in human design, which I
am a quad right. And I don't know any other quad rights. And we are very interesting beings like
we're very receptive and a very different than most people. Eventually more and more kids are going
to be quad right in the next few years as we more and more are going to come around. But the world
is like more left. The world is strategic. The world is like, you know, see this, do this, do this.
And we're all like, I don't know. I was just going to say, what is quad right means? I don't know
that. Yeah. They call quad right the aliens, right? The owl. Because they're like, they're
receive everything is receptive. You know, it's like the quad rights of this world. Like we can,
this is the best way my friend puts it. We can watch a movie. And like in the moment, we take the whole
movie in, right? And then you leave the movie and you're like, I have no idea what that movie is about.
But if someone was to come up to you and say, did you see that scene? You be like, oh my god, yeah,
I love that scene. That character that I like it comes. It's like recall memory. Yeah. Not for us.
It's for other people. It's really interesting. That's how to quad right in my life. But I didn't,
I wasn't able to appreciate when he was there. But then I, you know, I got to know more about the lines
and the gates and the channels. And I really went in depth with everybody I know with their charts.
And then I started getting into gene keys, which is like, oh my god, another love of my life right
now. I'm in the middle of studying it now. Yeah. But just the whole world of HD and that's human design is
like, I don't know how, I don't know how they got it right. So right, like every time I've done
someone's chart, they're like, and there's simple things in human design that if you know, we'll change
your life. Like your strategy and authority. Exactly. Exactly. How you sleep. If you know how to eat,
if you know, like all of that's in your chart, that can make huge impacts. Just with my little,
I was talking about having a manifesto. She's seven now. Manifestors don't fall asleep right away.
Me and my husband are generators, but she's still in our bed most nights. So we go to sleep right
away. Generators like hit the pillow. They go to sleep. Manifestors take a half hour to an hour to go
to sleep. So every night, me and him were like, oh, like, it was good asleep. Yeah. And she's like,
no, she can't. So now we have to put her upstairs. We go and hang out upstairs knowing that this is part
of her human design. And I'm telling you, at about 40 minutes like that, she falls asleep. We don't
even try anymore. We just hang out with her knowing that we're not going to go to sleep for a half
hour, 45 minutes. And within like 40 minutes, almost like on the dot, she's like, all right, and she
cons out. Yeah. It's very interesting. And I haven't really, I've, I've gone like as deep as a little bit
into like the gates, a little tiny bit into that, but mostly just like this strategy and I'm a generator
too. And uh, sacral? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Have you done a bunch of sacral sessions to really
get into your, no, I haven't done anything like that. So, um, but some of the things that I've dug into,
and I can't even tell you what they are because like everyone's in a while, like go look at my chart,
and then I'll just Google it. Go to the, what does this, what does this mean? Yeah. You know, and then I'm
like, and then I'm like, oh, my gosh. Yes. And then I'm like, okay, well, what does this mean? And then
a lot of the chart, I can't really read because I don't even understand what it is, you know what I mean?
So I would have to learn more about it in order to like learn more. So I feel like that was across the
human design world. The first thing you should understand is your strategy and authority because
that's how you live in the world. So you having a sacral generator, uh, if you're a pure generator,
probably I would think, um, is that you're a yes or no person. You should know that when I'm
going to ask you, yes or no questions, but also you need people to ask you yes or no questions
when you're not expecting it. Like that you easily know the answer to. So like, are you
wearing shoes right now? Yeah. Yeah. But so that you start to connect with your sacral, you know,
your sacral muscle in a way. Yeah. Um, and then after that, I think the best thing to know is the
centers. I was a human design body graph chart has the centers like the chakra centers, the energy
center. But there's nine instead of seven because the heart was split into three. So the heart is
actually the, the G center, the will and the spleen kind of and then all the rest of the centers
are the same and just understanding where you're defined and where you're undefined. So if you have
your body graph in front of you and your center is white, which means it's undefined, colored in some
color, depending on what place you get your chart from. That means it's defined and anything that's
defined in certain energy center means you have constant access to that. Uh, if it's undefined,
you don't have access to that. You are like basically mat, not magnifying, magnifying, magnifying
other people's of that or you're using their energy. It's not yours when you're alone. So that's
something really because what that teaches you is where you are easily conditioned, where you have
been conditioned by others. So for example, I have a solarplex. I'm pointing to here, but I have a
solarplex. That's undefined. That means and the solarplex is about feelings. A lot of it's about
feelings. So I don't have access to my own feelings all the time. Now, sometimes when the transits
are right, I have access to my feelings or I'm around other people that have defined solarplexes.
I have access, but I really don't have access to my own feelings most of the time. But when my
husband who has a defined solarplex is come so many's angry, I'm like, I get angry. If I have known
this as a teenager, like I, it's not mine. It's not mine. And I will magnify that and I'll get mad
at whoever's around. I have to stop and be like, okay, is this mine? But I only know to do that
because I went through my human design chart and understanding that I can easily conditioned by
other people's emotions. And when I looked into that, my parents died, right? They could not be sad.
One of the last things my dad said to me was, this is your world now. And he said, I can be angry.
And I can be, but I can't be sad. And he was talking about like my mom dying. And so I've never
been able to feel sadness, right? Anger was always something. I was conditioned by feel, always feeling
my parents sadness, but never expressing it. So what did I do? I never got angry. I cried my eyes
out my whole life. And I never stood up for myself. I never got angry. I never spoke it out because I
was feeling I was like conditioned by that because I could see that they weren't expressing it. So it's
cool that like the centers can kind of show you where you're where your conditioning in life is.
Yeah. And of course, when you start to work with the human design, you're deconditioning. That's their
word, right? Yeah. It's like seven years. It's just so much work. Well, it is, it's a lot. Yeah.
It's like you could just keep dot, you could just keep going. I feel like forever. Like you could never
learn at all. I, that's what it feels like to me. But it's so interesting. It's very fun to like
dive into it every once in a while. So I absolutely love it. So that's really so so I could see how
when when someone comes to you, like when you work with people,
is it a certain type of person? Are they looking to do certain things? Like what is, what do you gravitate
towards a lot of times, the type of people? I find a lot of women in midlife. Yeah. Where you're
getting a lot of transitions, you know, they're becoming caretakers. So many people have lost their
parents recently that I've worked with or they are in a career change or their kids are going off
to college and they're like, what are you with my life? Like I, or they feel that like there's
something more. Just don't know where to start sometimes. So when I work with them and I'm very
intuitive in session. So sometimes the session ends up being a lot more human design than
than a cashic records or running in or giving or working with things that they can do on a daily
basis to begin to build up to the other parts of the sessions. Yeah. Yeah. So that's real. I could see that.
I could see that being all these modalities or the only things being super helpful for that
time period in your life. I work with a lot of women at that same age group and so I feel like
all those things that you just said happen to everybody. It's like it's there's so many transitions
that are happening kind of like almost feels like all at the same time and so it becomes overwhelming
and I feel like a lot of women get like really lost in that feeling and they constantly say I don't
have a purpose or something like that. And you know what? It's not fucking easy to be a Gen X woman
right now. No, it's not. We are like, we are treading new paths because the women before us, we're
not the caretakers. We did not. I mean, I don't know about you, but for me as a Gen X woman,
I've lost over 20 friends who were younger than 50. I mean, I don't, my parents didn't lose anybody
unless they were in a war or right or had a bad strategy. I've lost so many people. And then on top
of it, I'm watching all of my friends lose very similar levels of stuff like the griefs that we're
dealing with and the the way that kids are parented now and like college prices and I'm there's
so much that I it's so much as a Gen X woman, how do we do it? Right. You have to have some kind of solid
core. Yeah, you really, you really do. You have to really, I think you really have to know yourself,
you have to really turn into your intuition, connect with that and really be able to like trust
yourself. And I think a lot of women don't have that. And that was something that I needed to learn
how to do as I was coming like out of when I got divorced, like moving into my 40s, like just learning
to trust myself again and really like, you know, it's, we all have intuition, but I was completely
disconnected with that because the relationship I was in was very abusive. And so like, I had to learn
to like trust myself again and reconnect with myself. And I spent years doing that. And like,
still to this day, I feel like it's just, it's just like a process that kind of like,
eating well and working out. Like you just have to keep doing this, I don't like to call it work. I
really don't want to call it work because I love doing it. But like it like, like, like, like,
again, get deeper and deeper. And it's just a continuous like lifestyle change more than
anything else. It's not something you do. And then it's done. And then you're everything's okay.
That's something that's like continuous. It's interesting because I as well had many, I mean, I
was so unhealthy growing up. I had, I was in a, I was like 15, dating a 21 year old at one point and
super like abusive. And I got in and out of all kinds of stuff. So I had, I had all of that. And I
didn't even start, I mean, I always had things I worked on. I used to dance to five rhythms with
Gabrielle Roth. And I had things that kept me balanced. But if I didn't have it, probably would have
been in a really bad situation. But it took me years to be able to, okay, just really look at myself
and forget about trust. But just see that I was beautiful. Like, forget about trust. Like, the trust is
like, I had to have babies before that. I think I had to feel that my body could birth something
for me to go there. It was really rough experience. But recently when I was getting trained with
Yogan-Aidra like a few years ago, I did a San Culpah. A San Culpah is like the heart's intention.
It's beginning of like a Yogan-Aidra. And I did, I used my San Culpah on trust. And I did 108 day
mala beat journey. And I did it like every day. I'm telling you, I buy the end of that journey. Like,
a ton of things has, it had opened up for me. And I wouldn't say that I trusted myself fully or anything.
But I was feeling like the connection to myself, right? And I was beginning to feel like the seeds of
that being planted. So those are, it's fun to go on. If you feel like an adventure and like,
get some olivees and do like 108 day, it's an adventure. But it's, it's an interesting one that doesn't
take a super amount of time. Yeah. Okay. That sounds like, that sounds like a challenge almost. I think.
So how can everybody get connected with you? Where do you hang out and where can they find you?
Yeah. I have a website. It's jocelynbates.net. And then I also have like an offer on there
where I have a balance your nervous system cheat sheet. Okay. Like I said, I feel like you can't go
anywhere unless you can like at least breathe without anxiety. And so it's just some things like,
you know, like you need to just things you could do when you're waiting in traffic and you're like,
ah, yeah, simple things like the car next to you won't even know you're doing it, right? Like,
so just some, it's just a simple cheat. I think there's like 10 or 11 simple things you can do on
it. So I have that on my website. But I am on insight timer. It's the same name jocelynbates.
And I'm on Instagram. Okay. Uh, Instagram on soul sessions by jocelyn. Okay. So, um, but yeah,
everything is up on my website. Okay. All right. Yeah. So that's probably the best place to find all
of this information. So we'll put the link, we'll put that link in the show notes so people can
connect with you. It's been quite a journey today. I really enjoyed this so much fun. I love this stuff.
I love it. I love all of it. So, um, I want to thank you again for sharing your wisdom and being on
the podcast. I had like a great time talking to you. So thanks for being on. Oh, thanks for having me.
It was so fun. I love it. Yeah.
Did you guys know that the soul align self-care podcast has a community? It's called the soul
align self-care insiders. And I would love you guys to join us over there. So the link will be in
the show notes. And I want to say we do so many cool self-care practices over there. So if you really
want to up-level your self-care, join us on the insiders. Okay. I'll see you there. Bye.
